*****This is going to be a long post, so go get a drink.*****I live near LaVergne Tennessee in a semi rural area. LaVergne has it's own community blog properly title
Lavergne Tennessee. Run by the kind
Kathy T., she really has built a strong blog.
Just recently she
posted a press release from the city itself.
FROM CITY PRESS RELEASE 12/14/2006: An anonymous tip lead to the arrest of 22 people on gambling and other charges and a gambling establishment was closed down in La Vergne Wednesday night. The operation took place less than 75 yards from a church.
Of the 22 arrested at 121E George Chaney Blvd., five were for felony charges while 17 were given misdemeanor citations.
“We received an anonymous call that there was gambling going on and when we went over there to do a welfare check, we noticed the security camera on the outside of the building,” LPD Lt. Ted Boyd said Thursday morning. “Officers Russell Howell and Chip Davis knocked on the door and the owners let them in. Apparently, the owners tried to convince police that they had made a place for their friends to get together and play poker.”
The games stated at 8:15 p.m. and reportedly would go on until the next morning. There was a $200 entry fee to play, Boyd said, noting they’d only been operating for about three to four weeks.
Three of the individuals – Steven Colbert, 42, of Shelbyville; Denny Kalinic, 33, of Columbia and Cathy McPherson, 23 of Shelbyville – were charged with the promotion of gambling and aggravated gambling.
Two individuals –--Ashley R. Hayes, 38, of Rockvale and Tyrone L. Jackson, 30, of Nashville -- were charged with gambling and possession of drugs. Approximately 400 pills were confiscated, along with nearly ½ pound of cocaine and a small amount of marijuana. The pills were Oxycontin, Loratab, Xanax, Percoset and more.
Charged with gambling were Landace Clackner, 26, of Nashville; Ernest Milton Darrett, 51, of Smyrna; Samuel B. King, 31, of Hermitage; Jefferson W. Morrill, 36, of Nashville; Van L. Ho, 22, of Lebanon; Millard Austin, 28, of Murfreesboro; Thomas James 31, of Smyrna; Robert Martin, 34, of Smyrna; Jerry K. Shadowens, 41, of Smyrna; Rangsit T. Iamsaard, 37, of Murfreesboro; Matthew M. Skaggs, 28, of Murfreesboro; Christopher S. Bissinger, 25, of La Vergne; Russell A. James, 30, of Murfreesboro; Allison Johnson, 27, of Antioch; Joycelyn Edwards, 27, of Antioch; Mark Pellatiro, 32, of Antioch and Gary Armstrong, 48, of Nashville.
In addition to the arrests, LPD officers seized $15,063 in cash, two trucks – a 2005 Chevy Silverado 3500 and a Dodge Ram SRT 10 – two TVs, five guns, leather furniture, a refrigerator (which was used to store alcohol and food), gaming tables and a poker machine. Only the poker machine will have to be destroyed. If the owners of the trucks aren’t able to get their vehicles back, they – along with the other items – will be sold at auction.
Ten officers from second and third shift responded to the call and Vice/Narcotics and LPD’s Crime Scene Unit were called in to assist and process the scene. According to Boyd, this is the largest bust by LPD officers on one call in one night.
“I’m proud of our department for the hard work they did in making these arrests and closing down this operation,” Chief Steve Lindsay said. “This was a major operation and we’re glad we shut the games down before they could possibly lead to more crimes within the city.”
Now I want to say that this press release bothered me on so many levels.
I was pretty much raised by my mom. She was one that always let us roam in life. No apron strings needed to be cut when it came time to leave the nest, and she made sure that we had a good grasp on making the proper informed choices in life.
One thing she did was to make sure that we knew that our decisions affected not just us, but ones around us.
In other words. She helped raise consenting adults. Because of this my siblings, and myself, all pretty much have similar views of society, and personal choice.
When I first read the post on the LaVergne blog I posted a comment.
arrgghhh!
They make it sound like the ultimate den of sin. They knew going into the door they would likely lose the 200 entry fee.
My libertarian side screams when consenting adults are treated like kids who are caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
I say gamble and enjoy life.
Dang nanny state.
Gunner walks off to look for a slot machine
Take a moment and note that the youngest person there was 22 years old. All old enough to drink, carry a weapon in war, and even vote. In other words. All adults.
Now you normally don't end up in a gambling hall like this by accident. so they all went in there knowing that they may, just may, walk out with a crap load of money, but likely walk out broke. That's why they call it gambling.
Now the first thing to note is that Tennessee has the lottery, and lotto. Gambling is legal here if the state controls, and profits from it. If you try to, they well...raid you.
I went by the building the gambling site was at to look for a specific item, and I easily found it. From the parking lot, I could see at least one store that was involved in state controlled gambling. Those scratch off tickets, and power ball tickets that never return much more then a "free ticket" win are just fine to the state, but a nice gambling pot by a private entrepreneur is simply sinful.
It is hard to respect a government that outlaws gambling as a sinful act, but then allow it if they get the money.
After my comment another comment was left. supposedly by a cop.
a metro cop said...
It's illegal to do what they were doing, so what's your point? They got away with it for three weeks, but they got caught. Shame on them for breaking the law. You just can't let people slide on something like this.
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What's my point?" they ask. Lets see. Gambling is illegal as long as they state wishes, but not for itself. Any law passed by the state, that has exemptions for itself, is an immoral law.
"Shame on them for breaking the law" always creates a hick-up in my mind. What if the law is simply bad? Should they be ashamed?
I guess this cop wants all the people to follow the law. Let me ask this. Have you ever heard of someone saying that they are a "law abiding citizen"? Normally said when someone wants to imply that they are a good person.
Sadly for them I do not see "law abiding citizen" as a positive characteristic in a person. What it means is that they follow the laws, even the dumb ones, with little thought. Oh! Maybe they do have some twinges as they follow a stupid law. shoving aside the thought that the law is bad is a habit the learn from an early age. Law abiding implies a defective person for me. That may sound harsh, but looking at the laws of today, I feel it is a dependable view. Would you "abide" by the patriot act?
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You just can't let people slide on something like this" means what? They are not committing a sin, otherwise the state would be also. What they seem to be sliding on was keeping the state's cut. Regretfully for them, the state has armed
thugs enforcers and they will get you and their cut. That's what a police raid is. Ever think the gamblers will see their money, or vehicles again? The state gets their money and a competitor is removed. A win-win for them.
SO GO BUY A LOTTO TICKET AND SHUT UP.
I replied of course.
A victimless crime does not need task forces, or shows of force. If my friends and I sit around and play penny poker no police would arrest us. why not dollar ante? At what level does friendly games of chance go from fun, to evil enterprises bent on corrupting the morals of all?
Laws like this are moral based laws. Sadly, what some feel is immoral, is enforced on those who do not.
No victim, no crime.
Sadly we are living in Kant's paternal government.
A Government founded upon the principle of Benevolence towards the people-after the analogy of a father to his children, and therefore called a paternal Government" would be one in which the Subjects would be regarded as children or minors unable to distinguish what is beneficial or injurious to them. These subjects would be thus compelled to act in a merely passive way; and they would be trained to expect solely from the Judgment of the Sovereign and just as he might will it, merely out of his goodness, all that ought to make them happy. Such a Government would be the greatest conceivable Despotism; for it would present a Constitution that would abolish all Liberty in the Subjects and leave them no Rights.
You asked "what's my point?". The point is that consenting adults are being restrained by laws that are based on others views of what is bad, not laws based on protecting victims.
Also the little fact that the lottery, and lotto, show that gambling is just fine with the state, as long as the state controls and gets the profits.
There is a lot bad with this story.
BAD COPS
NO DOUGHNUTS
The first time I came across the works of Kant, and his view of the paternal government, I knew he was right. I had not used the term "paternal government" before that point.
Take a moment and compare and contrast the way a parent treats a child, and how the government treats you. The time your parents catch you smoking and tell you you're not old enough, but they do. The time the government catches you gambling, but sell lotto tickets just down the street.
The most offensive phrase ever used by an official, in many forms, is "we are doing this for your own good". This covers controlling gambling, alcohol production, and even building a shed out back that meets all city, county, state, and federal codes.
Think of all of the controls the government have on you. Now how many are their to protect you from yourself? Protecting you from yourself is what your parents did when you, and I, were young and dumb. I know some of the rules imposed on me as a youth kept me alive.
The things is that I'm not a kid anymore. I do believe by a nut check, that I'm an adult.
I see in life two kinds of laws. The first are laws with victims. Mostly that is another person. Assault, theft, DUI, and rape have victims. The other type is a victimless crime. Gambling is a good one. If you walk into a building with 200 dollars you know you likely will leave without it, but hope your skill will ensure that you leave with more. No victim other then your wallet. Other victimless crimes include speaking ill or well of a politician in a blackout period before an election or diabolically selling your own raw milk to a kind neighbor.
In my view of what a good law is the following criteria need to be met. If a direct victim cannot be identified, then you should not pass it. The state cannot be the victim.
Most laws will not pass this test.
Then another comment was left.
part 1
Anonymous said...
Gunner and Will - putting the gambling aside for a moment, what about the illegal drugs that were found. 400 prescription pills - sounds like distribution to me - 1/2 pound of coke - Yeah, nothing wrong there!! I don't want that junk going to any teens or kids... But I guess that is okay with you.
Now ask yourself this. Is a kid a consenting adult? Nope! Then selling drugs to kids is wrong. As the youngest person there was 22, then I say "blow your f'ing mind". With the modern media it would be hard to say that they did not know that drugs can hurt you. As they are adults, I say go for it.
part 2
I want to Thank the LPD for doing their jobs and getting these idiots where they belong - behind bars. The gambling charges won't be too major - just a slap on the wrist, but hopefully the drug charges will be substantial so they will learn their lesson.
How dare they make choices as adults!!!!!!
Note the blanket condemnation of them for the drugs. Maybe this last comment was posted as the commenter held a mixed bourbon and coke in one hand, or smoking his nicotine cigarette. One level of "drug" use is just dandy, but others are bad. How do you know this. Because the government said it was so. Daddy knows best
This paternal mindset is the most infuriating thing I know. It shows itself in the nanny government, and politicians who want to control you in so many parts of your life.
Most people will look at the press release and see another victory in the war on drugs and gambling. I look at it and see a loss of individual independence. Freedom means the ability to do dumb things. To limit a persons right to die a fiery death right after saying "hay you'all. Watch this" is a crime.